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house speaker boehner coming out earlier today and saying no progress has been made in the negotiations. our chief washington correspondent john harwood is here with the latest. >> reporter: we ended the week with a fairly perfect, simple, clear, elegant expression of the partisan differences in this fight. speaker boehner came out and gave a press conference where he essentially said president obama has done nothing to compromise with republicans. here's the speaker. >> four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then there's been no counteroffer from the white house. instead, reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow-walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. >> reporter: not surprisingly, democratic house leader nancy pelosi had precisely the opposite explanation for what is behind this stalemate. she says republicans simply echoing the white house are going to have to buckle on the issue of the top rates. >> the only obstacle standing in the way of middle income ta
house speaker boehner coming out earlier today and saying no progress has been made in the negotiations. our chief washington correspondent john harwood is here with the latest. >> reporter: we ended the week with a fairly perfect, simple, clear, elegant expression of the partisan differences in this fight. speaker boehner came out and gave a press conference where he essentially said president obama has done nothing to compromise with republicans. here's the speaker. >> four days...
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john boehner is the president's partner at this point. he can't wait for two years for a resolution of this problem. it would be damaging for the markets, for the economy. >> everybody, yeah. >> if this thing drifts for two years. certainly the president would like to have a democratic house, but he doesn't have one right now. he's not going to have one for some time, probably not going to have one after the 2014 elections. >> no? >> so i think this president is focused on trying to get john boehner and republicans to come his way on tax rates which is a position that's popular with the american public as our nbc/"wall street journal" poll showed this week and then get to the end stage bargaining on spending. >> so who prompted this meeting, john? you said there's a real shakeup, you're hearing about a shakeup. who prompted the meeting? was it the president or john boehner? >> reporter: i don't know that yet. i infer from what i heard about a shakeup being required that the speaker might have done it, but i don't know that yet. >> okay. w
john boehner is the president's partner at this point. he can't wait for two years for a resolution of this problem. it would be damaging for the markets, for the economy. >> everybody, yeah. >> if this thing drifts for two years. certainly the president would like to have a democratic house, but he doesn't have one right now. he's not going to have one for some time, probably not going to have one after the 2014 elections. >> no? >> so i think this president is focused...
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boehner's already said he put revenue on the table. read the bob woodward book, the price of politics. it showed that boehner went much further than any republican has been willing to go when it comes to revenue and funding the government. the second issue when it comes to president obama saying we want to return back to the clinton era rates, it wasn't the rates that netted government revenue. it was unprecedented economic growth in the tech bubble. so the brilliance of this -- >> and no war. >> well, that's -- that's the rate question. the income to government. spending side of the equation. if we simply return back to the spending rates as a percentage of our economy of the clinton era, this thing would be fixed like that. >> that's what we keep hearing. anyway, representative, good to have you on the program. >> thanks for having me. >> can't wait to hear what the traders have to say about this. "fast money halftime report" with scott wapner and the crew begins right now. >>> all right, brian and thanks so much. welcome to "halftim
boehner's already said he put revenue on the table. read the bob woodward book, the price of politics. it showed that boehner went much further than any republican has been willing to go when it comes to revenue and funding the government. the second issue when it comes to president obama saying we want to return back to the clinton era rates, it wasn't the rates that netted government revenue. it was unprecedented economic growth in the tech bubble. so the brilliance of this -- >> and no...
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boehner came out and said we should raise taxes. >> i think boehner is doing the best he can to prevent marginal tax rates from rising. i think that's a very noble cause after conservatives and republicans lost in the last election. i think boehner's done the exact right thing. >> i've heard you make the bold case for conservatism on this show. we should advocate for what worked with ronald reagan. guess what? our economy took off. we got 20 million jobs and youth unemployment dropped 43%. and revenues doubled. >> that's not the issue. >> yes, it is. >> that's not john boehner's issue. john boehner didn't lose the presidency, my friend. and don't forget that. and by the way, conservatives did not win the presidency and conservatives did not win the senate. it was a lousy year. and you have to deal with that. and let me add one thing. i am a flat tax supply sider and i worked for ronald reagan. reagan compromised. he compromised in 1982 over a lousy deal which he regretted. he compromised in 1983 over a very good social security fix. and then he compromised again in 1986 over a very good
boehner came out and said we should raise taxes. >> i think boehner is doing the best he can to prevent marginal tax rates from rising. i think that's a very noble cause after conservatives and republicans lost in the last election. i think boehner's done the exact right thing. >> i've heard you make the bold case for conservatism on this show. we should advocate for what worked with ronald reagan. guess what? our economy took off. we got 20 million jobs and youth unemployment...
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boehner i think is trying to rise above partisanship and get a deal. i think he's been very valiant. but sit going to take a toll on the gop internally? >> larry, i was at a very prominent conservative meeting in washington today, and you know who showed up? a congressman from kansas. he was booted off of his committee earlier today and he was very angry talking to conservative activists. here's why conservatives are angry. as this fiscal cliff negotiations continues, they think boehner is trying to warn conservatives about going against any kind of deal he cuts with the white house. so as a warning, boehner is saying i'm going to boot you off your committee if you go against something i do. a lot of conservatives don't like it when he plays hardball. they're going to continue to fight back just like senator demint is doing right now. >> but he's also going to lose some votes on the moderate side. a couple dozen republican house members signed a bipartisan letter that says let's look at all kinds of tax rates, not just the deduction, but tax rates in r
boehner i think is trying to rise above partisanship and get a deal. i think he's been very valiant. but sit going to take a toll on the gop internally? >> larry, i was at a very prominent conservative meeting in washington today, and you know who showed up? a congressman from kansas. he was booted off of his committee earlier today and he was very angry talking to conservative activists. here's why conservatives are angry. as this fiscal cliff negotiations continues, they think boehner...
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boehner and reid in washington. do you think that's having any impact on the type of people who buy your products? >> you know, i think any time when there's a lot of talk about what the future may hold for government, for taxation, for financing, that's going to give some people some trepidation about spending. if there's word about the fact that you are going to have higher taxes come the new year, won't have as much to spend, maybe you hold back a little bit. what we like about our business is, it's a relatively low barriers to entry. consumers can buy the luxury of our beauty for $17, $18, $25, $30. this is not a huge investment. and so we're finding a lot of consumers are finding their way into beauty because they don't want to spend $1,000, $2,000 or $3,000 on very luxurious, larger items like a handbag or a new car, for example. so beauty has its frequency shoppers. but that being said, overall, if the consumer is not certain she has the disposal income, perhaps she holds back a little bit. >> sir, one of my
boehner and reid in washington. do you think that's having any impact on the type of people who buy your products? >> you know, i think any time when there's a lot of talk about what the future may hold for government, for taxation, for financing, that's going to give some people some trepidation about spending. if there's word about the fact that you are going to have higher taxes come the new year, won't have as much to spend, maybe you hold back a little bit. what we like about our...
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. >> speaker boehner can't ignore the american people forever. at some point, reality should set in. the only question is how much financial stress middle class families and our entire economy will have to endure during this process. >> is this any way to solve the biggest threat to the economy since lehman brothers? "fast money" starts right now. >>> live from the nasdaq market site in new york city's times square, i'm melissa lee. back from the brink. from b of a to yahoo! stocks, are suddenly the comeback kids of the fourth quarter. we're separating winners from losers. >>> plus, sell signal. if insiders are heading for the exits, should you be, too? >>> and we're talking real estate and the fiscal cliff with dolly lens. but first, let's get straight to our top story, and that is the haggling in washington, d.c. president obama's meeting with house speaker john boehner this hour. john, what should we expect? >> we expect the meeting to last something less than an hour between the speaker and the president of the united states. a republican lea
. >> speaker boehner can't ignore the american people forever. at some point, reality should set in. the only question is how much financial stress middle class families and our entire economy will have to endure during this process. >> is this any way to solve the biggest threat to the economy since lehman brothers? "fast money" starts right now. >>> live from the nasdaq market site in new york city's times square, i'm melissa lee. back from the brink. from b of...
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we have a bright side yesterday when john boehner came here to the white house. house speaker to talk to president obama. first individual one on one meeting since the election and that meeting and some other signals that have been sent publicly by both parties have caused some noted skeptics of us getting a fiscal cliff deal. >> i think the atmospherics are getting so much better. we've gotten out after ka bookie theater and gone to dancing the tango with those two guys. any time you start to tango, you have a chance. >> chances of getting it done now are better. i think that's what's key. >> part of that tango is republicans cracking on tax rates. that's what president obama will be talking about in michigan today. keeping the public pressure on. but the part for the administrator point of view, tyler, is what do they live john boehner so he can bring his troops along, entitlement, spending cuts, to tell their members we got a good deal. >> john, i find it curious to find that president spent as much time as he has on the road trying to drum up support for this
we have a bright side yesterday when john boehner came here to the white house. house speaker to talk to president obama. first individual one on one meeting since the election and that meeting and some other signals that have been sent publicly by both parties have caused some noted skeptics of us getting a fiscal cliff deal. >> i think the atmospherics are getting so much better. we've gotten out after ka bookie theater and gone to dancing the tango with those two guys. any time you...
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you heard boehner there saying the president has wasted a week here. but behind the scenes, aides did give us some indication they'll continue to talk through the weekend so i think what's going on here is you're seeing the public blast of ret lick but behind the scenes they are talking to each other. i think the talks are fair le well coordinated. you can tell that by how tightly the white house and boehner camp on the press side have coordinated their rollouts of what they've said about these talks. they're within minutes of each other, using the same language. that's an indication talks are sort of going along here. it is not an indication we will have a deal any time soon but there's no reason to give up hope just now, you guys. we won't. >> i think our "rise above" pins should be bigger. >>> 146,000 jobs were added in november. there is consensus out there that this is a good number. it was much higher than expectations. the problem is why were our expectations so low? let us bring in the chief economist for north america at b and b perrybaugh. ju
you heard boehner there saying the president has wasted a week here. but behind the scenes, aides did give us some indication they'll continue to talk through the weekend so i think what's going on here is you're seeing the public blast of ret lick but behind the scenes they are talking to each other. i think the talks are fair le well coordinated. you can tell that by how tightly the white house and boehner camp on the press side have coordinated their rollouts of what they've said about these...
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speaker boehner is about to speak. here he is. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and our jobs, the white house has wasted another week. you know, eight days ago secretary geithner came here to offer a plan that had twice the tax hikes that the president campaigned on. it had more stimulus spending than it had in cuts. and an indefinite, infinite increase in the debt limit like forever. four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then there's been no counteroffer from the white house. instead reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow-walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. instead of reforming the tax code and cutting spending, the president wants to raise tax rates. but even if the president got the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we would continue to see trillion-dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. listen. washington's got a spending probl
speaker boehner is about to speak. here he is. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and our jobs, the white house has wasted another week. you know, eight days ago secretary geithner came here to offer a plan that had twice the tax hikes that the president campaigned on. it had more stimulus spending than it had in cuts. and an indefinite, infinite increase in the debt limit like forever. four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of...
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you mentioned boehner speaking at the top of the hour. in the past few moments the obama 2012 campaign staff has tweeted the following. if your taxes go up, republicans will have made a conscious choice to let that happen. we have no way of knowing if this is somehow related to what the speaker may say in 20 minutes' time. might just be yet another echo of an existing talking point. that's going to be one more tea leaf to read in the next half hour. >>> when we come back, delta air lines buying a 49% stake in virgin atlantic today. we'll talk to the ceo about the deal and what it means for the airline's future after the break. again? it's embarrassing it's embarrassing! we can see you carl. we can totally see you. come on you're better than this...all that prowling around. yeah, you're the king of the jungle. have you thought about going vegan carl? hahaha!! you know folks who save hundreds of dollars by switching to geico sure are happy. how happy are they jimmy? happier than antelope with night-vision goggles. nice! get happy. get geico
you mentioned boehner speaking at the top of the hour. in the past few moments the obama 2012 campaign staff has tweeted the following. if your taxes go up, republicans will have made a conscious choice to let that happen. we have no way of knowing if this is somehow related to what the speaker may say in 20 minutes' time. might just be yet another echo of an existing talking point. that's going to be one more tea leaf to read in the next half hour. >>> when we come back, delta air...
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boehner he can't ignore the american people forever. so there they have it. live to capitol hill with one on one interview with representative maxine waters when we come back. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. monarch of marketing analysis. with the ability to improve roi through seo all by cob. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price. i'm going b-i-g. [ male announcer ] good choice business pro. good choice. go national. go like a pro. since ameriprise financial was founded back in 1894, they've been committed to putting clients first. helping generations through tough times. good times. never taking a bailout. there when you need them. helping millions of americans over the centuries. the strength of a global financial leader. the heart of a one-to-one relationship. together for your future. ♪ that makes watching tv even better. if your tv were a hot dog, zeebox would be some sort of fancy, french mustard. just like
boehner he can't ignore the american people forever. so there they have it. live to capitol hill with one on one interview with representative maxine waters when we come back. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. monarch of marketing analysis. with the ability to improve roi through seo all by cob. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price. i'm going b-i-g. [...
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. >>> also, later on, did you hear john boehner today? >> four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then, there's been to counteroffer from the white house. instead, reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. >> former presidential candidate and vermont governor howard dean says bring it on. going over the fiscal cliff will actually help america. he's going to make his case, very bold statement there, to someone whose company will be decimated by the spending cuts to defense companies. you do not want to miss this confrontation. ricans are alwayso work hard for a better future. since ameriprise financial was founded back in 1894, they've been committed to putting clients first. helping generations through tough times. good times. never taking a bailout. there when you need them. helping millions of americans over the centuries. the strength of a global financial leader. the hea
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speaker boehner has to run for speaker again next year. he's got to get these republicans to a deal and then he's got to get himself re-elected as speaker. he doesn't want to lose his conference, right? he's got to manage that at the same time he's doing this negotiation. he went to the house floor today and said that the president has not been public enough with spending cuts. the speaker really sending a ignal there, i think, to the white house, saying, hey, put some spending cuts on the table here and maybe we can start to deal. but right now, i'm in a lot of political pain up here on capitol hill. >> let's get the market context in all of this, with this, a little bit of give and take, eamon, we're seeing the s&p futures up by a third of a percent. at the market highs of the day, prior to when senator reid threw some cold water on hopes that they're inching closer to a deal here. so, in the after hours, it is interpreted as being a positive development in if fiscal cliff negotiations. >> and it was -- >> that's right. >> it was all day
speaker boehner has to run for speaker again next year. he's got to get these republicans to a deal and then he's got to get himself re-elected as speaker. he doesn't want to lose his conference, right? he's got to manage that at the same time he's doing this negotiation. he went to the house floor today and said that the president has not been public enough with spending cuts. the speaker really sending a ignal there, i think, to the white house, saying, hey, put some spending cuts on the...
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not boehner. and the president went back and tried to jam boehner, because he thought there was division in the ranks. so one of the challenges that boehner or mitch mcconnell has is you need to be one voice as the president's one voice but you have a lot of members. >> what about hedge funds? don't raise the rates, just make them pay the rates. make them pay ordinary income. i'm always surprised, you convert ordinary income rates to capital gains, that's not what people do. just pay ordinary, right? you agree to that. they don't have to raise the rates. >> did you readed article that harvard is the hedge fund that has the university on the side? >> i don't know. >> $27 billion hedge fund. >> you agree with me they ought to switch the rate with ordinary income. >> i'm not -- look, it's a tax increase but you can offset it by tax cuts elsewhere. you could do tax reform in such a way that long as it doesn't net money to the government. if the government sees additional cash they go, oh, and they dro
not boehner. and the president went back and tried to jam boehner, because he thought there was division in the ranks. so one of the challenges that boehner or mitch mcconnell has is you need to be one voice as the president's one voice but you have a lot of members. >> what about hedge funds? don't raise the rates, just make them pay the rates. make them pay ordinary income. i'm always surprised, you convert ordinary income rates to capital gains, that's not what people do. just pay...
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john boehner is really the only republican power in town. so a lot of people think that he's going to have to move toward the president. right now, he's showing absolutely no signs of that. but public opinion is definitely in the president's side. >> the president seems to be counting on here that if no deal is reached, the gop will get the blame from voters. is that the right calculation to make? >> absolutely. polls show that republicans would overwhelmingly be blamed if the united states goes over the proverbial fiscal cliff. and that's why president obama has an advantage, because he's willing -- he says, this is what he and his advisers say, he's willing to send the nation off of the fiscal cliff, letting all income tax rates to jump, spending cuts to take hold, investment income rates to jump. he's willing to do that. he thinks republicans would get the political blame. republicans, on the other hand, note that listen, the president's going to have to have another term where he's dealing with what's likely to be a deep recession as a r
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boehner is demanding more details on spending cuts. the administration has made expensive proposals to reduce spending, but the republicans haven't offered specifics on revenue hikes. >>> today the federal reserve wraps up its two-day meeting with a decision at 12:30 eastern followed by updated economic projections from fomc members at 2:00 p.m. and ben bernanke's press briefing at quarter past. the fed is expected to announce a new round of bond purchases as its latest program, operation twist, is set to expire at the end of the month. cnbc will begin at 12:00 p.m. eastern. >>> joining us is stewart richardson, partner at rpmg. the press conference -- we'll hear a fresh round of stimulus from the fed. how significant would that be? >> in my mind it's not that significant. i think as optics, people think this is another addition to the stimulus. the fact is that the fed for months and months and months when they go out to purchase longer term treasuries, they're trying to reduce the supply of those in the market and effectively swap sh
boehner is demanding more details on spending cuts. the administration has made expensive proposals to reduce spending, but the republicans haven't offered specifics on revenue hikes. >>> today the federal reserve wraps up its two-day meeting with a decision at 12:30 eastern followed by updated economic projections from fomc members at 2:00 p.m. and ben bernanke's press briefing at quarter past. the fed is expected to announce a new round of bond purchases as its latest program,...
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that after talking with house speaker john boehner over the weekend. their firps one on one in weeks. is that why republicans are saying they would swallow higher taxes for the right deal on spending cuts? we'll talk to tom cole who is making that case in just a few minutes. >>> bmw and mercedes are looking for the best selling luxury brand in the united states. wait until you hear what your money can get you these days. you're watching cnbc. ...so as you can see, geico's customer satisfaction is at 97%. mmmm tasty. and cut! very good. people are always asking me how we make these geico adverts. so we're taking you behind the scenes. this coffee cup, for example, is computer animated. it's not real. geico's customer satisfaction is q rea this computer-animated coffee tastes dreadful. geico. 15 minutes could save you 15 % or more on car insurance. someone get me a latte will ya, please? >>> is the u.s. consumer in trouble? the front page on this morning's "wall street journal" says yes. but are holiday sales and shipping proving otherwise? courtney reag
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we just talked about it with john boehner. does that help or hurt? >> home run for exchange trade for two reasons. whatever happens on the fiscal cliff, whatever they get their act together to do, two things will happen. tax rates will go up on capital gains and dividend. etfs or more tax efficient, more people will follow into that place. i also think some people trapped in mutual funds because they have low tax basis will do tax gains harvesting, realize their gains, pay 15% and move that money finally into cheaper, more tax efficient and better profits etf has to offer. >> trader talk column, trader talk cnbc.com in a few moments. that's what's hot, etfs. back to you. >> we look forward to that very much. thanks, guys. gold market selling off a little bit. at the close, sharon epperson tracking the action at the nymex. moving into stocks and out of the metals. >> they are. we're seeing a little bit of weakness in the gold futures price. gold etfs held up steadily over the last several weebs as well as record levels, in fact. in term of the flat pr
we just talked about it with john boehner. does that help or hurt? >> home run for exchange trade for two reasons. whatever happens on the fiscal cliff, whatever they get their act together to do, two things will happen. tax rates will go up on capital gains and dividend. etfs or more tax efficient, more people will follow into that place. i also think some people trapped in mutual funds because they have low tax basis will do tax gains harvesting, realize their gains, pay 15% and move...
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president obama and john boehner meet face-to-face on sunday. does it mean we're any closer to the solution to the fiscal cliff? >>> a news conference by chairman ben bernanke, set for wednesday.
president obama and john boehner meet face-to-face on sunday. does it mean we're any closer to the solution to the fiscal cliff? >>> a news conference by chairman ben bernanke, set for wednesday.
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more support for boehner now than anytime in his speaker ship. is that's setting up for -- >> but it is social media and twitter allows to you see these things. >> sausage factory into the front of the kitchen. >> exactly. >> geithner didn't use the word marginal rates had to go up, just said rates. >> rates are already going up. there will be a tax increase to people making more than 250 anyway because of the health care law. so the idea that somehow they will get a freebie is just crazy. >> california at 52%, new york and other places -- >> when you add up all the state and local taxes. hawaii is above 50, as well. >> hawaii is worth it, though. >> california is not bad either. >> unless you need to drive somewhere. right? and don't have a helicopter. >> there's a reason the president takes a helicopter anywhere. you can't drive in d.c. sdl those a >> boston in the city can get like that. last night i was thinking in my mother was still alive, cincinnati versus here, she would see like ten cars an and go oh, i can't believe people -- if she had
more support for boehner now than anytime in his speaker ship. is that's setting up for -- >> but it is social media and twitter allows to you see these things. >> sausage factory into the front of the kitchen. >> exactly. >> geithner didn't use the word marginal rates had to go up, just said rates. >> rates are already going up. there will be a tax increase to people making more than 250 anyway because of the health care law. so the idea that somehow they will get...
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boehner stepped in front of the microphone the day after the election and this market tanked. that's a clear signal to washington they better get it right. >> i think ben is right on the money. this is basically what is happening. there's an enormous amount of room for disappointment in this market. this market is expecting a deal. i don't know why all of the sudden today we get this triple-digit move as if something is happening. if we don't get a deal, how big of a sell-off can we see? >> well, we've seen the t.a.r.p. disappointment. we've seen the debt ceiling disappointment. i think if we go over the cliff, we're going to have a very big sell-off, then the politicians are going to go, hey, we're here to the rescue. >> what's fueling this optimism then? >> i think we have seen the idea that the market has voted to tell washington they need to get it right with the sell-offs we have seen. the anticipation is they want to get re-elected. they understand the republicans now have detectors. again, the market is saying we with believe in you. don't screw this up. >> all right. y
boehner stepped in front of the microphone the day after the election and this market tanked. that's a clear signal to washington they better get it right. >> i think ben is right on the money. this is basically what is happening. there's an enormous amount of room for disappointment in this market. this market is expecting a deal. i don't know why all of the sudden today we get this triple-digit move as if something is happening. if we don't get a deal, how big of a sell-off can we see?...
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the question is going to be what does the white house give john boehner, offer john boehner in terms of entitlement cuts that he can use to bring along his caucus? it's pretty clear from the cracks in republican ranks, becky, that republicans are going to give ground on tax rates for some group of wealthier americans, maybe half million dollar incomes, maybe million dollar incomes. but boehner to the speaker to bring along his caucus has to say here are the spending concessions that i want and i think that's what this set of conversations is about. >> john, it was interesting to hear it from senator corker saying, yeah, we should hold the fight on spending. you about he did it on the assumption that you're going to have this debt ceiling crisis that comes up again and these concessions that come up in i guess february. the president in his initial offer laid out something that he had to say the debt ceiling would be part of that, too. would he have back down and say we could have this conversation again in six weeks? >> that's a really hard issue. he said in the same definitive rates
the question is going to be what does the white house give john boehner, offer john boehner in terms of entitlement cuts that he can use to bring along his caucus? it's pretty clear from the cracks in republican ranks, becky, that republicans are going to give ground on tax rates for some group of wealthier americans, maybe half million dollar incomes, maybe million dollar incomes. but boehner to the speaker to bring along his caucus has to say here are the spending concessions that i want and...
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. >> well we've heard from just about everybody in town except for speaker boehner. scott it feels like we're getting some deal making behind the scenes and i'll tell you why it feels that way. we were told that yesterday speaker boehner and president obama held a phone call, it was said to be about 20, 28 minutes in length but neither side has leaked what happened on that phone call. the house republicans are not leaking, the white house just within the past hour said it's not going to tell reporters what was discussed, that's probably an encouraging sign that negotiations are taking place. last week we saw that they had a proposal and immediately house republicans leaked the white house proposal and then republicans went out of their way to say they were laughing at that proposal, now they're not leaking, that's probably a sign of some real deal making but nonetheless harry reid the senate democratic leader was on the floor within the past hour or so and he kept the pressure up on republicans. take a listen. >> the plan for the republicans to face reality, there's
. >> well we've heard from just about everybody in town except for speaker boehner. scott it feels like we're getting some deal making behind the scenes and i'll tell you why it feels that way. we were told that yesterday speaker boehner and president obama held a phone call, it was said to be about 20, 28 minutes in length but neither side has leaked what happened on that phone call. the house republicans are not leaking, the white house just within the past hour said it's not going to...
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. >>> budget talks have resumed between the staff of john boehner and the white house. "wall street journal" says this creates a ne crea breaks a near week long silence as the fiscal cliff looms. they promise to renew the negotiations. and are you earning $250,000, worried about having to pay more tax? you may be able to earn up to $300,000 and not have to hand over more cash to the irs. head to cnbc.com for more. and victor hugo's classic thofl about life, love and hitting the big screen. carolyn went to speak to the stars of the film to find out why the classic story still resonates. ♪ >> i think human truths are human truths and there's also a certain cycle to the world. >> just a look at the world and humanity, and we'll always be moved by a passion for fighting for what we believe in, we've always been moved by love. >> the power of redemption are all themes that transcend time. >> les mis has been performed 10,000 times and seen by 16 people worldwide. and now it's a major motion picture featuring hugh jackman and anne hathaway. so what does it take to transform
. >>> budget talks have resumed between the staff of john boehner and the white house. "wall street journal" says this creates a ne crea breaks a near week long silence as the fiscal cliff looms. they promise to renew the negotiations. and are you earning $250,000, worried about having to pay more tax? you may be able to earn up to $300,000 and not have to hand over more cash to the irs. head to cnbc.com for more. and victor hugo's classic thofl about life, love and hitting...
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. >> that's going to be the question that boehner has to deal with. the president will have to deal with the far wings of his party. boehner started doing it. did you see they removed two tea party members from the budget committee? >> i don't want to raise taxes to fund 25% of gdp. >> and actually, the american taxpayers are being told to pay their fair share. they want to see real entitlement reform as well. but you have to deal with the issue on the table. i mean, the spending right now is a percentage of gdp is 24%. it's projected to go substantially higher. do you know that medicare and medicaid didn't exist 50 years ago and they're now a quarter of the federal budget? >> i know. it was supposed to be supplemental. david walker was on the other day talking about obama care which is supposed to save us a trillion dollars and the actual cost, what it added the our entitlement is 12 trillion. just that we did in the last two years. or whenever it was. >> but in terms of where we are now in this negotiation, i believe that both sides in the final ana
. >> that's going to be the question that boehner has to deal with. the president will have to deal with the far wings of his party. boehner started doing it. did you see they removed two tea party members from the budget committee? >> i don't want to raise taxes to fund 25% of gdp. >> and actually, the american taxpayers are being told to pay their fair share. they want to see real entitlement reform as well. but you have to deal with the issue on the table. i mean, the...
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john, how did this private and personal meeting between john boehner and the president over the weekend go? do we know? >> we don't know. the white house and speaker's office are both being very disciplined about not disclosing content of the meeting. but i think we can take encouragement from the fact that it took place. this there is some progress an prospect of further progress being made. public and private gain, as you indicated. going to washington to keep pressure on republicans. he believes that is what worked for him ever since the grand bargain talks collapsed in summer of 2011. he campaigned, won reelection. he sees signs of republican cracks in unity about tax rates. bob corker was on our air earlier today, senator from tennessee and said tax rates ought to go up, then we fight about entitlement accounts and the debt limit. i think that's where we are. one thing we need to see from the white house is some sign of what they are willing to give speaker bainer to bring his caucus along on tax rates in terms of entitlement reforms. can't be for nothing. boehner has to be able to
john, how did this private and personal meeting between john boehner and the president over the weekend go? do we know? >> we don't know. the white house and speaker's office are both being very disciplined about not disclosing content of the meeting. but i think we can take encouragement from the fact that it took place. this there is some progress an prospect of further progress being made. public and private gain, as you indicated. going to washington to keep pressure on republicans....
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but that not true among the rank and file and therefore john boehner and leadership haven't been able to take that position and that is kind of stuck right now. >> joe, it is brian. i know you talk to those folks off the record as well. ip get it. a this point the president's plan can only be viewed as punitive. the money raised is about a fourth of what medicare alone wastes through fraudulent spending in a year. everyone understanding basic math knows it won't make a difference for anything. it is already spent with the post office and fha bailout. does the white house privately acknowledge this point? do they understand how big the deficit is verse thus small amount of money? >> of course they understand it. i don't accept what you just said, ryan. >> you can't debate math. >> well, you called it punitive. and i -- >> i i'm just wondering if that's what it is at this point? >> i don't think it is. look, the white house negotiated a deal with republicans last year to cut a trillion dollars out of discretionary spending. they are looking for a $4 trillion deal. that's one-fourth of t
but that not true among the rank and file and therefore john boehner and leadership haven't been able to take that position and that is kind of stuck right now. >> joe, it is brian. i know you talk to those folks off the record as well. ip get it. a this point the president's plan can only be viewed as punitive. the money raised is about a fourth of what medicare alone wastes through fraudulent spending in a year. everyone understanding basic math knows it won't make a difference for...
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speaker boehner commenting earlier this hour about the fiscal cliff negotiations. let's listen. >> this plan does not fulfill his promise to bring a balanced approach to solving this problem. it's mainly tax hikes. and as planned, does not begin to solve our debt crisis. it actually increases spending. >> joined now by an incoming member of the senate, jeff flake, representing arizona's sixth district. good morning. glad to have you. >> thanks for having me on. >> awfully tough to get a read this morning. a lot of the public commentary has been critical, as you know. but we are seeing signs that at least the talks are progressing. we've got counteroffers going back and forth. are you more or less optimistic than you were, say, last week? >> i've gone back and forth week to week. thinking we'll get a deal. then we won't. today, i think it's probably just better than 50/50 that we get a deal. it likely won't be until after christmas. >> yeah, the calendar -- that seems to be the issue right now. you're running out of time to get it done this year. >> it looks like it
speaker boehner commenting earlier this hour about the fiscal cliff negotiations. let's listen. >> this plan does not fulfill his promise to bring a balanced approach to solving this problem. it's mainly tax hikes. and as planned, does not begin to solve our debt crisis. it actually increases spending. >> joined now by an incoming member of the senate, jeff flake, representing arizona's sixth district. good morning. glad to have you. >> thanks for having me on. >>...
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. >>> meantime, house speaker boehner and president obama speaking on the phone last night about the fiscal cliff. there still seems to be a freeze in the negotiation. >> there's nothing going on privately that's not going on the publicly. >> they've got to come with some specific revenue. they have refused to do that. >> we need that consensual break through. >> although the president seems obsessed on raising taxes for you. >> that is a bad strategy for america, it's a bad strategy for your businesses and it is not a game that i will play. >> is the administration prepared too go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the wealthiest 2%. remember it's only 2%. >> with just 25 days to go, the political satandoff could cost the u.s. millions of jobs. professor, good to have you back, good morning. >> good to be here, thanks. >> good read in the journal yesterday from you and if anybody needed to worry about this more, you invoke carter, you're talking about 1980. kind of scenarios if in fact we go over
. >>> meantime, house speaker boehner and president obama speaking on the phone last night about the fiscal cliff. there still seems to be a freeze in the negotiation. >> there's nothing going on privately that's not going on the publicly. >> they've got to come with some specific revenue. they have refused to do that. >> we need that consensual break through. >> although the president seems obsessed on raising taxes for you. >> that is a bad strategy for...
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. >> john boehner and president obama speaking by phone, but no announcement of any upcoming face to face budget talks. earlier the president told the business round table that a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff could be reached quickly if republicans drop their opposition to raising tax rates on the wealthy. and in an interview on cnbc, timothy geithner says the gop is making a little bit of practice, but the white house is absolutely ready to go over the cliff if tax rates on the top 2% don't rise. >> our obligation is first do no harl. we need to lift that threat over the economy. and now as part of that, we'd like to put in place as i said a carefully designed mix of reforms to put our fiscal balance in the path of sustainability. as long as there is recognition by the other side that those rates will go up, we think we can reach an agreement on the set of reforms as i said that will be good for the economy. >> republicans were quick to hit back. orrin hatch called them stunning and irresponsible, but there may be more cracks in the ranks. "washington post" reports some moderate an
. >> john boehner and president obama speaking by phone, but no announcement of any upcoming face to face budget talks. earlier the president told the business round table that a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff could be reached quickly if republicans drop their opposition to raising tax rates on the wealthy. and in an interview on cnbc, timothy geithner says the gop is making a little bit of practice, but the white house is absolutely ready to go over the cliff if tax rates on the top 2%...
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any time that boehner doesn't come out and say, we're nowhere, that's good. these things are going to get done in private. both sides need to leap off a bridge here. the republicans need to some how figure out how they're going to let the top rates go up. democrats need to swallow some changes to entitlement programs, raising the retirement age or changes. the less we hear, the better, in the next few days on the negotiations. as soon as you hear leaks saying these guys are too far apart, that's the problem. if we hear nothing, that's actually pretty good. >> are we starting to see the beginning of the gop move into the center with the comments over the weekend from senator corker and this morning, letting the tax rates go higher so the shift can be, the time shift can be spent on entitlements. >> the republicans some how want democrats to say what they want to cut on entitlements first, that's not going to happen. republicans need to ask for that. corker has always been a little bit more moderate. it's not that surprising to hear it from him. it would be mor
any time that boehner doesn't come out and say, we're nowhere, that's good. these things are going to get done in private. both sides need to leap off a bridge here. the republicans need to some how figure out how they're going to let the top rates go up. democrats need to swallow some changes to entitlement programs, raising the retirement age or changes. the less we hear, the better, in the next few days on the negotiations. as soon as you hear leaks saying these guys are too far apart,...
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we are told that president obama and speaker john boehner on the republican side of the capitol had a conference call yesterday about 20, 28 minutes in length. we don't know what was said. that's probably a good sign they are not leaking the contents of that call. that's a sign that there is some negotiation going on. something is happening behind the scenes but we just don't know what it is right now. back to you. >> eamon javers, thank you very much. >>> what can be done to break the stalemate in washington? representative jack kingston is a republican from georgia, member of the house appropriations committee. welcome, congressman. good to have you with us. >> thank you, tyler. >> we had the images yesterday of congress leaving for a long weekend. i have to say that it struck an awful lot of us as very poor sort of pr, very bad optics, if you want to use that term. you're still there in washington. why? and what do you think about the fact that congress went home? >> well, i'm actually doing some committee work but i will say this, that this debate is both inside and outside of the
we are told that president obama and speaker john boehner on the republican side of the capitol had a conference call yesterday about 20, 28 minutes in length. we don't know what was said. that's probably a good sign they are not leaking the contents of that call. that's a sign that there is some negotiation going on. something is happening behind the scenes but we just don't know what it is right now. back to you. >> eamon javers, thank you very much. >>> what can be done to...
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i just want to say that, again, boehner offered $800 billion. that's about the amount that taxes on the upper 2% are. so now he's negotiating north of that. i mean, the best place for republicans to be, to me, is to pass the rate increases, be done with it. the number's probably much smaller than it's ultimately going to be negotiated. then we still are focused on the right thing which is entitlement changes. again, i hope the president's going to come to the table, candidly. here we are. every developed country in the world knows this is the greatest threat to our nation. economists on both sides of the aisle know this is the greatest threat in our nation. and hopefully they'll solve this. but right now, there's no question in my mind that the president has the slight upper hand in the negotiations, and my point was, there's a way of changing that leverage very, very quickly by the house sending over a bill that freezes rates on the 98% of the population that are going to be affected. >> senator, in terms of the top 2%, how much do you see the
i just want to say that, again, boehner offered $800 billion. that's about the amount that taxes on the upper 2% are. so now he's negotiating north of that. i mean, the best place for republicans to be, to me, is to pass the rate increases, be done with it. the number's probably much smaller than it's ultimately going to be negotiated. then we still are focused on the right thing which is entitlement changes. again, i hope the president's going to come to the table, candidly. here we are. every...
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i expect to hear speaker boehner on tv tomorrow reiterate that the president is going with the my way or the highway, no real spending cuts approach. no mandate for that except it really isn't a my way or the highway, my way or the cliff's way. i've been pondering this, a little hollywood style. maybe it's a rebel without a cause moment. an actual loser in a game of chicken. the ceo realizes that the president, james dean, they are the other guy, the loser in the game of chicken, with their coats caught on the car door handle, trapped, and barrelling right over the cliff to a fiery death. good scene, good movie. bad ending. so what happens in the scenario when we go over the cliff? i loved today's glimpse before the short covering rally when we learned of the new meeting, first gold gets hammered, washington said inflation is really anti inflationary and the posturing won't change that. i want you out of the gold stocks and into precious metal. gld, etf, sell stocks now, buy later. and deals looking bad for oil and gas companies, because demand for energy will decline, particularly de
i expect to hear speaker boehner on tv tomorrow reiterate that the president is going with the my way or the highway, no real spending cuts approach. no mandate for that except it really isn't a my way or the highway, my way or the cliff's way. i've been pondering this, a little hollywood style. maybe it's a rebel without a cause moment. an actual loser in a game of chicken. the ceo realizes that the president, james dean, they are the other guy, the loser in the game of chicken, with their...
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you have boehner come out, reid come out, cantor come out, and they're all somewhat measured, if not negative, on the result of the fiscal cliff. so the market's clearly building in a deal. if i were bernanke, here's what i'm thinking. i'm thinking, if i get the grand bargain, i don't have to do anything additional to what i'm doing now because the economy is going to explode fwr trom the pent-up corporate spending. if i wait, let them take care of it. that's unlikely, though. i think the fed is in a holding pattern and let the market bounce around without the upside gains. >> is that it, or are you just getting warmed up? >> let's go to murph. >> if you don't get anything from bernanke today, the market is going to sell off. if we see bernanke step away from the easing today, we're going to go a lot lower on the mark market. i don't think that's going to happen. i think you'll see him extend and see what happens with the fiscal cliff. >> what does the market want to hear from the fed today. jim is chief financial strategist for wells capital management. thanks for coming back. >> th
you have boehner come out, reid come out, cantor come out, and they're all somewhat measured, if not negative, on the result of the fiscal cliff. so the market's clearly building in a deal. if i were bernanke, here's what i'm thinking. i'm thinking, if i get the grand bargain, i don't have to do anything additional to what i'm doing now because the economy is going to explode fwr trom the pent-up corporate spending. if i wait, let them take care of it. that's unlikely, though. i think the fed...
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finally the treasury secretary said the proposal from speaker boehner did represent some progress. >> i think we're making a little bit of progress. i mean, we're still some distance apart. they're clearly moving. they're trying to figure out how to move further. you've seen them acknowledge they're prepared to do $800 billion in higher taxes on part of the american economy. that's part of a balanced framework. that's definitely some progress. what we need to have them acknowledge is that the rates go up and if they're willing to accept that and commit to that as an agreement, then we think we can do something really good for the economy. >> what you have here is really the administration laying out the parameters of getting a deal done. it's going to be tax hikes on the wealthiest 2% going back to the bush tax cuts, although there was a little play in the idea. it didn't have to be 39.6%. he didn't say that had to happen, but he says he thinks that's the best way for a deal to get done to raise the money they need. and a deal on the debt ceiling. so, guys, i'm not sure where we are o
finally the treasury secretary said the proposal from speaker boehner did represent some progress. >> i think we're making a little bit of progress. i mean, we're still some distance apart. they're clearly moving. they're trying to figure out how to move further. you've seen them acknowledge they're prepared to do $800 billion in higher taxes on part of the american economy. that's part of a balanced framework. that's definitely some progress. what we need to have them acknowledge is that...
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when it comes to higher taxes, you seem to disagree with house speaker boehner when he says raising taxes on the highest earners will hurt jobs. can you elaborate on that? >> i think what the speaker is saying quite correctly is you don't want to increase taxes on the job creators. the problem here is the 1986 act that equalized corporate and personal rates. so the most important thing is to have an internationally competitive corporate rate of 25% and a territorial tax system and then individuals who have been filing their businesses as s-corporations or pass-through corporations can incorporate and get that lower rate. they can negotiate on the individual rates. >> so you don't think the ordinary income, then, the 39.6% that we're talking about, in that case, would apply to small business. they would fall under the corporate tax rate. >> yes, exactly. people forget that until 1986, corporate and individual rates were separate. a big part of the '86 act was to equalize them. there's a big difference between 2012 and 1986. only 17% of our economy was related to trade in '86. last year in
when it comes to higher taxes, you seem to disagree with house speaker boehner when he says raising taxes on the highest earners will hurt jobs. can you elaborate on that? >> i think what the speaker is saying quite correctly is you don't want to increase taxes on the job creators. the problem here is the 1986 act that equalized corporate and personal rates. so the most important thing is to have an internationally competitive corporate rate of 25% and a territorial tax system and then...
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we had a press conference from speaker of the house john boehner. he doesn't sound all that optimistic the. >> i remain the most optimistic person in thoun, but we've got some serious differences. >> also on wednesday, jpmorgan ceo jamie dimon said that the economy, if washington can get a deal here is poised to rocket. >> the table is set very little right now. small business in good shape. 5 million more people working than four years ago. housing has turned the corner. let's just keep it going. >> so what were they doing up here on capitol hill? well, they're holding duelling press conferences with images for the tv cameras, one of a group of adorable young children and another one using a santa claus here, everybody trying to make their point, everybody trying to grab the camera's attention, but not a lot of negotiating progress here, at least in public. that's where we stand for now. >> eamon there from washington with the latest. >>> here in central london, it's about to get a lot greener. urban farming is coming to london rooftops. the garden
we had a press conference from speaker of the house john boehner. he doesn't sound all that optimistic the. >> i remain the most optimistic person in thoun, but we've got some serious differences. >> also on wednesday, jpmorgan ceo jamie dimon said that the economy, if washington can get a deal here is poised to rocket. >> the table is set very little right now. small business in good shape. 5 million more people working than four years ago. housing has turned the corner....
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. >> the republicans spoke just a minute ago, john boehner saying his fellow republicans do in fact, as we watch the president work the room ahead of his remarks, they do back his opposition to raising rates outright. this chatter that the coalition is fraying, how complicating is that? the question is whether it frays enough to caught a fundamental shift in strategy. i think at the end of the dahl the republicans will give on higher rates. the question is when? does 2 happen before december 31st? in which case republicans and conservatives would argue republicans are agreeing to a tax increase. does it happen after january 1st when rates will have already risen? and if they cut them to 37% top rate, then republicans could say, hey, we just cut taxes. that's really the question. the president has made an argument that it is not practical to get all the money he wants from merely closing loopholes and deductions. he's said different things in the past. he's acknowledged significant amounts of money can be raised through closing loopholes. can you get it done quickly? by the end of the
. >> the republicans spoke just a minute ago, john boehner saying his fellow republicans do in fact, as we watch the president work the room ahead of his remarks, they do back his opposition to raising rates outright. this chatter that the coalition is fraying, how complicating is that? the question is whether it frays enough to caught a fundamental shift in strategy. i think at the end of the dahl the republicans will give on higher rates. the question is when? does 2 happen before...
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so when boehner comes out and gives his talk right after the election -- >> but honestly, the administration has criticized the republicans because there are no specifics in the spending cuts. >> come on, look. the erskine bowles language -- you know how this works. house republicans are will -- >> give me one. >> i won't play that game and here's why. house republicans -- house republicans are willing to sit . house republicans are willing to sit down. they're not any more anxious to deal with the cuts and pass the cuts than anybody else is but we demonstrated through the ryan budget, we did it once, we did it twice -- >> i'll give you that point. i wish everybody would stop talking about this in public and get behind closed doors and actually make this happen. i can't believe the amount of tough that is talking, the tough talk, we'll go over the cliff, we'll go over the cliff. >> let me ask you a point. it's a fiscal speed bump a $600 billion tax we need. the real thing we're headed for is the long-term progress we have to make. i'm very concerned the atmosphere is very poisoned the $600 b
so when boehner comes out and gives his talk right after the election -- >> but honestly, the administration has criticized the republicans because there are no specifics in the spending cuts. >> come on, look. the erskine bowles language -- you know how this works. house republicans are will -- >> give me one. >> i won't play that game and here's why. house republicans -- house republicans are willing to sit . house republicans are willing to sit down. they're not any...
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for you, it's the house and boehner need to rise above. for me, it's everybody needs to rise. it's not a partisan thing. it's a let's do this. >> what about marc andreessen? let's not rise above anything. >> he's like one of the only people. we've got all this -- >> okay. >> we gave you one. >> there's a sink below caucus. >> here it is. you want me to tie my tie like you? >> put it on your tie. it's like a rorschach. it can mean anything to you. we just want to get this done. >> my styist would not be happy with this look. >> your stylist has got a lot of work to do. that's not your problem right there. oil prices are hanging around $86 a barrel while gold prices are tumbling following the fed delayed decision to push ahead with another round of stimulus measures. guy wolf, let's look at the trading block here. different markets and see. guy wolf is macro strategist at marex speculation and jim moor yo is on constantly on cnbc. unless there's more than one of him. joining from the cme. as i said, a cnbc contributocon. guy, i'll start with you. i just referenced and we had jas
for you, it's the house and boehner need to rise above. for me, it's everybody needs to rise. it's not a partisan thing. it's a let's do this. >> what about marc andreessen? let's not rise above anything. >> he's like one of the only people. we've got all this -- >> okay. >> we gave you one. >> there's a sink below caucus. >> here it is. you want me to tie my tie like you? >> put it on your tie. it's like a rorschach. it can mean anything to you. we...
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. >>> talks between the white house and house speaker john boehner's office having been increasing. the discussions have become more serious and both sides still face major differences. there's an office peace by republican senator portman in the "wall street journal." while he disagrees with president obama's call to raise taxes on top earners, quote, the negotiations require a good and take. still to me it sounds like a lot of the same. but we'll leave it there. they will be leading off every hour with a special mission critical rise above report talking to lawmakers pushing them as to why there is no deal to avoid the fiscal cliff and explain what's at stake. i think they may be chasing people down the halls to some extent. >> to be a fly on the wall. >> i guess it's more. we will hear becky personally. >> becky will remind us what's going on today. a pen fee of them will go october trade sales. the like day for earning, that's due before the opening sales. >> always a good read. >>> protests in egypt's tahrir square turns to violence this morning with nine reportedly injured fro
. >>> talks between the white house and house speaker john boehner's office having been increasing. the discussions have become more serious and both sides still face major differences. there's an office peace by republican senator portman in the "wall street journal." while he disagrees with president obama's call to raise taxes on top earners, quote, the negotiations require a good and take. still to me it sounds like a lot of the same. but we'll leave it there. they will...